Saturday, January 09, 2010

“We need someone like Saddam Hussein”

The correct response: "Someone who will get you into a war and make you all widows?"

A very interesting article about a Sunni Sheik from Ramadi who is trying to lead Iraq towards reconciliation:

But beneath the bluster is a compelling argument for an Iraqi identity that transcends sect and allows a man like Mr. Hais, a sheik from Iraq’s most ardently Sunni region, to join hands with parties led by some of the most dogmatic Shiite clergy.

“We’re actually working against sectarianism on the ground, not just through the beautiful words of our speeches,” he said. “The interests of our country require it.”

So far, his words and actions have prompted more outrage than reconsideration. Many in Anbar remain angry about a weeklong trip that Mr. Hais took in June to Iran, a country many Sunnis believe dominates the current government and poses a greater threat to Iraq’s interests than the United States. Since then, some neighbors have taken to calling Mr. Hais’s villa, along the Euphrates, “the Iranian house” or “Khomeini’s house.”

“Absolutely, he’s carrying out an Iranian agenda — without a doubt,” said Dhari al-Hadi, an adviser to Anbar’s governor and deputy of Ahmed Abu Risha, a leading tribal figure in the province. “You wouldn’t find anyone in Anbar who would dare go to Iran.”

MR. HAIS’S Shiite allies at times seem baffled by him, in an Iraqi version of culture shock. They respect his credentials in leading the fight against insurgents and feel confident he can win over enough of his tribe to capture a seat or two. But they are often taken aback by his freewheeling comments in the alliance’s meetings. At various times, he has promised to open bars in Ramadi, stop veiled women from entering Anbar University, break the legs of rival candidates and pursue Baathists in nightclubs in Syria.

“Crazy,” a Shiite colleague said on condition of anonymity, fearful of provoking him. “Then again, if you call someone crazy in Anbar, they consider it a compliment.”

For his part, Mr. Hais finds his new colleagues too reticent.

“They’re always calculating before they say a single word,” he complained.

Lately, though, Mr. Hais seems just as bewildered by his fellow Sunnis.

On a crisp winter day this week, he made his way to the Nineveh Elementary School for Girls in a hardscrabble neighborhood of Ramadi. Teachers there unleashed a torrent of complaints: trash-strewn streets, a lack of money for schools, and drinking water that mixed with sewage and, at times, blood running off from butcher shops.

Mr. Hais listened, slipped the principal an envelope with $1,000, then urged the teachers to organize demonstrations. “It’s up to you to change the reality,” he insisted.

Before long, a former army officer spoke up. “I want to speak frankly,” he said. “We hoped you wouldn’t abandon your province and join the alliance.” Others nodded. “We don’t want Shiites coming into Ramadi,” a woman shouted. “We don’t want Shiite places of worship here.”

More criticism ensued. “We need someone like Saddam Hussein,” a woman cried.

Someone who will get you into a war and make you all widows?” Mr. Hais asked, with a grimace that suggested he might want his money back.

“At least we’re fighting Iranians and defending our country,” she answered.

An hour later, the meeting ended uneasily. “They’re worn out,” Mr. Hais said, in explanation. But the anger seemed to run deeper, be more intractable.

“He’s a son of Ramadi,” one of the teachers said. “We respect him in that way.”

“But,” she added, “he’s made a mistake.”

With attitudes like that of the woman who said they need someone like Saddam, reconciliation will be difficult to achieve. But with more Iraqi politicians like Mr. Hais, who answered the woman correctly, maybe there is hope for Iraq.


Don Cox said...

An end to sectarianism would be good, but it is true that Iran is now the biggest external threat to Iraq.

It is hard to see how sectarianism can relax when Iraq has Saudi Arabia on one side and Iran on the other, both pushing hard for influence.

In the long run, the only hope is for a slow fading away of Islam. The fading of Christianity in Europe has ended the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants which cost so many lives over the centuries.

Anonymous said...

Bush is a mass murderer. Blair is a mass murderer. You support tyranny. You support invasions and death. You support smart and dumb bombs being dropped on Iraqis. You hate Iraqis. You support the murderers of the Iraqi people. You are sick. You are filth. You are a scumbag. Stop supporting terrorism. Stop supporting the white protestant terrorists. Stop supporting the killers of the Iraqi people.

Stop acting like the Arabjarab in Jordan and KSA. Stop asking the Arabjarab in Jordan to train the Shia puppet police. You are stupid. You are filth.

See how easy it is to do that stupid? lol

Iraqi Mojo said...

In 1991, the US bombed the shit out of Iraq for 40 consecutive days and nights. I don't remember the 3arab jarab rushing to Iraq to kill the invaders and the 'traitors' who helped them!

"On 13 February 1991, two laser-guided smart bombs destroyed the Amiriyah blockhouse, which was a civilian air-raid shelter, killing hundreds of civilians. U.S. officials claimed that the blockhouse was also a military communications centre. Jeremy Bowen, a BBC correspondent, was one of the first television reporters on the scene. Bowen was given access to the site and did not find evidence of military use."

The Arab "resistance" did not launch suicide bombers to fight the American invaders in 1991? Why? Because the Americans left the Sunni dictator in charge of Iraq, sadly.

The Arabs didn't care about "invasion and occupation" until it was clear America wanted to catch Saddam and put him on trial. The 3arab jarab fought for Saddam, for Sunni domination in Iraq, by mass murdering Iraqis. Way to go ya 3arab jarab.

The Arabs don't give a fvck how many smart bombs the US drops on Iraqis, as long as their Sunni tyrant is allowed to stay on top and build palaces. The Arabs were just pissed when Saddam was put on trial and forced to answer questions about mass murder. They were pissed when they realized Sunni Arabs were losing control of Iraq for the first time in a too-long time. They were so pissed they launched 1,7000 suicide bombings in Iraq, 12 times the number of suicide bombings in Israel.

The Arabs are the biggest hypocrites in the world, and many of them live in America. It is embarrassing.

Anonymous said...

Stupid the arabs were supporting Iraqi in 91. Even the traitors who sent their armies to Iraq to fight with the US were worried about their soldiers. The Egyptians and Syrian soldiers were cheering Saddams scuds stupid even back then. How stupid are you. Arabs have always supported arab resistance and never supported foreign invaders stupid. You are really stupid. In 91 the Iraqi state was still intact stupid so nobody got in stupid. In 2003 your American masters destroyed the state stupid and that is how everybody was able to get in. The US terrorist army, al qaeda terrorists got in that way stupid. And thankfully it made it easier for the Arabs to go to Iraq and help the resistance. You are so stupid. Really fucking stupid.

"arab jarab....starbucks...honor killings...saddam...suicide bombers...sunni extremists.. arab jarab...starbucks...honor killings."

Iraqi Mojo said...

Yes the 3arab loved Saddam. They loved it when he lobbed missiles at Israel. a couple of old Israelis died of heart attacks. Saddam killed a few Israelis by scaring them into heart attacks, after he murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis in the 80s, and just weeks before he murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqis of the Shia faith.

It is clear the 3arab don't care for the Iraqi people.

I mean shit, the 3arab jarab are willing to kill 34 kids just kill one US soldier. They've bombed Iraqi cafes, universities, police stations, bus stations, bakeries, restaurants, book markets, government ministries, hospitals, funerals, and weddings. Did I miss anything? The 3arab jarab did not react this way in 1991. Why? Because this time their Sunni Lion, the hero of the 3arab jarab, was forced by America to face justice and America helped establish a democracy. It was the Revenge of the 3arab jarab. The 3arab jarab had to show the world that life for Iraqis was better under Saddam. You did a good job, ya 3arab jarab, ya munafiqeen ya mujrimeen ya kuffar.

Anonymous said...

roflmao stupid. Stupid you have no clue what words like democracy, justice, freedom and liberation mean. You support war. You support murder. You support foreign invasions. You are stupid. You do not have any arguments so you just repeat cliches. You support the US terrorist army and the bombing of Iraq and the killing of Iraqis. You are stupid, really stupid.

Stupid did you think by throwing up a few Arabic words in the end we would believe you really speak arabic? How stupid are you. Really, I dont mean that rhetorically, I am really asking is there no limit to your stupidity? You do not speak Arabic stupid and a few words you memorized and type out are not going to fool anyone. The American terrorist army is the mass murdering army not Saddam and you support the mass murderers.

Stop supporting the foreign invaders and mass murderers. You are stupid

C.H. said...

"Did I miss anything?"

Churches and daycare centers, too. The former was effective because it convinced the world that "Christians had it good under Saddam".

You must also include the COUNTLESS mosque bombings too.

Iraqi Mojo said...

العرب منافقين

العرب جرب

Iraqi Mojo said...

Thanks C.H.

Mosque bombings in Iraq

Church bombings in Iraq

David All said...

The frank response by Mr. Hais about Saddam was great, but if he wants to get their votes he better do something before Election Day to get the streets and drinking water clean up. Giving envelopes with $1,000 dollars to local leaders is not going to get Mr. Hais elected without concrete achievements.

Hais promises among other things to "break the legs of rival candidates". Hmm, well if Mr. Hais is defeated, he can always immigrate to the USA, settle in New Jersey and go to work for the real life Sopranos or as my favorite line from Law & Order puts it, "the guys with bent noses whose names end in vowels, (pause) and I do not mean Shapiro!"

David All said...

About Arab reactions in 1991 in cheering Saddam when he lobbied SCUD missiles at Israel killing a handful of Israelis while supporting the US-led effort to drive Saddam's troops out of Kuwait; a very interesting post and discussion is at