"The U.S. condemned attacks yesterday against Christians in Iraq, calling on the Iraqi government to redouble its efforts to protect the religious minority.
Bombs and rockets hit at least four homes of Christians in Baghdad last night, killing at least two people and injuring 13 others, according to the Associated Press. The violence followed a deadly Oct. 31 siege at Our Lady of Salvation Church in the Iraqi capital, and a declaration by al-Qaeda that it was waging war upon the minority group."
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This is obviously in poor taste, to butcher Iraq and then appeal to the puppet authorities to protect the cross worshippers in the country.
Nothing new for Nouri al-Maliki to be humiliated though. He is by now jaded, no longer noticing that he's being urinated on by Uncle Sam.
I really consider this Al-Maliki as my arch-enemy in the Iraq theater; I am going to enjoy seeing him taken down.
Your peeps haven't come close to "taking down" Al-Maliki, Dolly. Your gang can only kill innocent people. Old people.
"Father Nadheer Dako started the last day of 2010 with a funeral service for an elderly couple killed by a bomb during a string of attacks against Iraq's small Christian community.
The previous night, Fawzi Ibrahim, 80, and his 75-year-old wife, Jeanette, had opened their door to find a piece of luggage. When they touched the bag, a hidden bomb exploded. Their house was one of 10 Christian targets hit by militants Thursday night."
And in Egypt.
I think religion was invented by the Devil.
Shia Muslims taint Islam, LOL.
What makes you think this was the work of the Salafis rather than the Shia?
As the Christians themselves have noted:
In response to the coordinated bombings in Baghdad, Younadim Yousif, a Christian member of Iraq's Parliament, blamed the security forces for failing to prevent the attacks, especially after the extremist group had announced its intentions. "The government bears full responsibility for these attacks, because they already promised to secure the Christians," Mr. Yousif said.
"I think there is complicity by security forces helping insurgents to implement their attacks, because it is unbelievable that they could plant more than 10 I.E.D.'s in different areas targeting Christians," he said, referring to improvised explosive devices....
Who would benefit from taking over the homes and lands of the Christians in Baghdad?
Could it be the Shia?
Ding, ding, ding.
This is not to say, that Salafi types don't carry out such attacks, but blaming everything on them is poor analysis.
Muhannad, your father's the oil professor/writer/adviser - I'm curious what does he think of the huge natural gas field the Israelis discovered?
Is it a game-changer in the Middle East?
Can the Israelis supplant the Russians in the European market?
Natural gas in Israel? Good for the Israelis, and yes the Europeans would certainly benefit because they would no longer have to rely on Russia and the Persian Gulf states for natural gas.
"A car bomb attack outside a Coptic Christian church in Alexandria, Egypt, that killed 21 people is thought to have been carried out by a suicide bomber. The blast took place less that two weeks after al Qaeda in Iraq threatened to kill Christians."
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/01/suspected_suicide_bo.php#ixzz19oE8MBZw
Iraqi security forces have not been able to stop attacks on Iraqi Shia either. I would not be surprised if some members of the security forces are somehow complicit in the bombings.
'Speaking to reporters after the service, Dakko railed against what he called the government's inability to "establish peace and security" for all Iraqis, Muslim and Christian. All Iraqis are suffering, he said, but the situation is harder for Christians because they are a minority.
"Iraq is bleeding every day," he said.
The government, while calling on Christians not to flee Iraq, has beefed up security around churches and dispatched extra police patrols in Christian neighborhoods. They've placed concrete blast walls around the Our Lady of Salvation church where the siege occurred.
Still, authorities and Christian leaders have acknowledged that security forces cannot protect every single house, and asked Christians to be vigilant. Violence has gone down across the country the past two years, but the government still struggles to protect even its own police forces.
Iraq's violence has struck all its various religious groups, and hundreds of thousands have fled the country since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion. But the ranks of Christians have been particularly depleted, in part because their numbers were not large to begin with — estimated at 1.4 million before the war. Now an estimated 400,000 to 600,000 Christians are left, according to a recent U.S. State Department report.
The Ghadir district where the elderly couple were killed shows the signs of the flight. In the past its population was predominantly Christian, with some Sunni Muslims. Both communities have fled in large numbers since 2003, and many houses have since been bought by Shiites from the nearby Shiite stronghold of Sadr City.
Al-Tabbakh said his sister's children had left Iraq even before 2003, but that his sister and her husbands were holdouts, determined to stay in their homes.
"Today, we stand next to two martyrs whose crime was that they preferred to stay in their country," Dakko, the priest, told the congregation in the funeral service.
Christians have been targeted in the past. But the October church siege was the deadliest ever, and it was followed by several dire warnings from al-Qaida's branch in Iraq that it intends to directly target the community. That prompted several thousand Christians to flee Baghdad for the relative safety of the Kurdish-run north in the past two months.'
The biggest problem, is that minority groups aren't allowed to have militias. Kurds, Sunnis, and Shia all formed militias for self-defense. Christians, Yazidis, and Mandeans didn't. That makes them easy targets for sociopaths who want to murder their way into paradise.
Israel won't supplant anyone with natural gas exports Mister Ghost. The two discoveries were huge, but 24 TCF of nat gas would only supply Europe for about 15 months. Also, they are 60 miles offshore, and under a mile of water. Iran has 1000 TCF onshore. Try competing on price, LOL.
If Israel is smart, it will switch over from coal to nat gas for its electrical needs. And they could build a GTL plant to provide fuel for transportation. Qatar has a plant that produces 50,000 bpd from nat gas.
It may be good for the Palestinians too:
"The Leviathan find raises the chances of other major discoveries in the region - off the shores of Cyprus, Lebanon, Egypt and the Palestinian territories.
The Israeli partners have talked of exporting through a pipeline or as liquefied natural gas. Shaffer said that the chances of the gas being sold to Europe were small and that probably the most viable option would be using existing facilities in Egypt."
Mojo,
You just said that you are happy that the zionists will be plundering more and more of Palestine. That is just disgusting.
Also, what do you think of this:
The second survey[2][3][4] published on 11 October 2006, estimated 654,965 excess deaths related to the war, or 2.5% of the population, through the end of June 2006. The new study applied similar methods and involved surveys between May 20 and July 10, 2006.[4] More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths. 601,027 deaths (range of 426,369 to 793,663 using a 95% confidence interval) were due to violence. 31% (186,318) of those were attributed to the Coalition, 24% (144,246) to others, and 46% (276,472) unknown. The causes of violent deaths were gunshot (56% or 336,575), car bomb (13% or 78,133), other explosion/ordnance (14%), air strike (13% or 78,133), accident (2% or 12,020), and unknown (2%).
So 31% from the Occupation, 56% from gunshots (hmmmmmm Shiite death squads ring a bell?), and 13% by "car bomb".
"good" for the israelis?
What does that mean?
Anonymous must have been in a coma for the last 5 years. Is he really quoting numbers from the long discredited Lancet Survey? Even Bruno got off that bandwagon, LOL.
The Ba3thi and Salafi 3arab jarab know how to use guns too.
I am happy about this:
"A senior official with the Palestinian extremist group Jund al-Sham has been killed in southern Lebanon, a Fatah commander confirmed on Saturday."
mojo,
first of all whats with the name calling? that is a sign that you have very weak arguments.
secondly, the lancett survey may or may not be credible, but it gives you an idea of whats happening in Iraq.
that is not what you meant iraqi mojo, we all know what you meant.
"good for the israelis" vs. this is good for the israelis
You don't have to read the flawed Lancet study to know that the Salafi and Ba3thi 3arab jarab mass murdered Iraqis.
I have learned that the salafi 3arab jarab, whether they live in the Kingdoms of 3arab jarab or in Belgrade or in Canada, will always view things differently from other humans.
and another study with similar results:
ORB reported that "48% died from a gunshot wound, 20% from the impact of a car bomb, 9% from aerial bombardment, 6% as a result of an accident and 6% from another blast/ordnance."[1]
Anonymous, are you saying it's NOT good for the Israelis? WTF is your point man? If oil is discovered on Mars, it will be good for the freaking Martians, won't it?
I dont know about you mojo but when something good happens to me, and someone else says "good for you", this means that they are happy for you.
Unless you ar ebeing sarcastic, "good for you" doesnt mean "this is good for you", it means im happy for you.
Proof:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090906044952AAHvwJn
Good for You: You say this when your happy for the person your saying it to. You feel they deserve whatever good thing is happening to them, you mean well but feel detached and careless about it anyway.
A co-worker you do not really hang out with just told you that he/she got promoted, so you say: Good for you!
let me guess Mojos response:
"Ayraaaaab Jayyyyraaaaaaaaaaab"
Classic response from a person who has no argument
"The Leviathan find raises the chances of other major discoveries in the region - off the shores of Cyprus, Lebanon, Egypt and the Palestinian territories."
That would be GOOD for the Palestinians! That would make me happy.
You're barking up the wrong tree if you think Mojo is pro-Israel Anonymous. He's pretty damned vociferous in his support for Palestinians. Please don't get him started.
yes it would be good for the palestinians, but you didnt say that . You said "good for Israelis", and not "this is good for israelis", theres a difference in meaning.
Mojo,
You are pouring your heart out to the Christians of Iraq, showing sympathy for their plight etc etc.
This is a good thing. It's a start. Now how about your sympathy for other sects targeted in the war? For example, the Sunnis. you have shown nothing but hatred towards them. quite frankly that is sick and disgusting, to rejoice when a sunni iraqi is killed adn then express sadness when shia is killed.
also, no meantion of Innocent iraqis killed at the hands of the american military (approx 30%). As if anything the military does is right or else you are not a patriot
I am happy for the Israelis who want peace and justice for the Palestinians.
you are digging yourself in a hole mojo. "I am happy for the Israelis who want peace and justice for the Palestinians." I wish you had said that, but you didnt. Instead you said "good for the israelis"
Anonymous Canadian Arab, you have not been reading my blog for long, have you?
Read my posts about 'collateral damage'.
Read my posts labeled Blackwater.
I wrote this in 2006, a few weeks after I started blogging:
"There are so many good Sunni Arabs like Zeyad in Iraq. My father's best friend was a Sunni from Samarra - he was murdered by the former regime in 85. The ordinary Sunni Arabs of Iraq should not be blamed for the actions of a few Wahabi wackos and their Baathi mafia encouragers."
isnt it so convienient that all of a sudden baathis are sunnis?
it is well known that there were many shia baathis, possibly even more than the sunnis.
In May 2007 I posted this: Iraqi Sunnis Caught Between Shia Militias and Al Qa'ida
I found that by perusing my posts labeled "Sunni" (gotta click "Older Posts" at the bottom to view all.
Also read my posts labeled "Palestine".
The highest ranking Shia in Saddam's government was Baghdad Bob.
i dont have exact numbers mojo, but sunni islam and baathism dont get along, read about syrias baathi regime if u dont believe me. and i bet there was MORE than a few shia baathists, probably over 50% of baathists were shia
I wrote this in 2007:
' I know that the word "Ba'thist" has become synonymous with "Sunni Arab", but in Saddam's Iraq, in order to work for the government in any capacity, one had to be a member of the Ba'ath party. Many poor Shia men joined Jaish al Quds or Fedayeen Saddam, and some of them had no problem harassing, turning in, and even murdering fellow Shia who defied the Ba'ath. One of my second cousins, who as a child spent four years in a prison near Baghdad because his older brother defected (I wrote about what happened to his family in my first post), told me recently that when Saddam's regime had a problem with a group of Shia, the regime would unleash their Shia dogs on the Shia who disobeyed. Those dogs are still in Iraq, and they still have no problem murdering Iraqis who break “the rules”. '
and tariq aziz was a christian...so what?
Anonymous, all the points you're making have been hashed and re-hashed repeatedly over the last 7 years. You really should read through the archives, and comments, if you want to know where Mojo stands on these issues.
As an Iraqi Shia, he has every right to be bitter about what Baathists and Salafi scum have done in Iraq. Would you expect a victim of the anfal campaign to not be bitter?
He's also very, VERY pro-Palestinian. Some of us have been called some pretty nasty names for our seeming support of Israel. Mojo is actually a proud Arab, with a lineage traced direcly to Mohammed. What pisses him off is the murderous attitudes so many Arabs have towards others.
Yes many Iraqi Shia joined the Ba3ath party, especially in the 70s.
"The Shia also embraced nationalism enthusiastically. In the aftermath of World War I, new national identities were forged - sometimes out of thin air - to define the struggle against colonialism and the character of the nation-states that were to follow. For the Shia, especially where they were a minority, secular nationalism was an inclusive identity. It defined them above and beyond the polemical debates of old and as equals to Sunnis in the eyes of the nation. Shias had failed to dominate the Islamic world theologically or politically and had faced the pains and perils of marginality. The modern state showed them a path forward that was free of the baggage of their religious identity. In Iran nationalism did not have these connotations, because Shias were a majority; but where Shias were a minority or ruled by Sunnis, nationalism appealed to them in the same way that inclusive ideologies attract minorities, who are drawn by a promise of a level playing field. Shias therefore embraced Arab nationalism, Pakistani nationalism, and Iraqi or Lebanese nationalism, in each case imagining a community where Shia-Sunni divisions would not matter. The modern world, at least in its nationalist guise, held the promise of ending centuries of painful prejudice and persecution."
"The promise, however, proved to be illusory, as the modern states grew increasingly authoritarian and showed a penchant for using Sunni sectarian prejudices to shore up their own authority. The entrenched the very divisions that the Shia hoped they would bridge. These nations solidified Sunni rule and Shia marginality and, worse yet, gave impetus to sectarianism. The founding ideas of these nations, despite a certain surface rhetoric of inclusiveness, never truly encompassed the Shia. Nor did they make provisions to include the socioeconomically disadvantaged classes, who often were predominantly Shia (as in Iraq and Lebanon). Marginality continued to dog the Shia as they faced institutionalized discrimination, persecution, and vicious prejudice in their everyday lives.
...Shias have never risen beyond the glass ceiling that separates them from the Sunni elite. A few, such as Saddam's last and highly colorful information minister, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf, rose to prominence. But they were tokens in a world where Shia feet never trod the real halls of power. Saddam Hussein liked to make much of the second part of his name before his Shia subjects - especially during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s - but he nevertheless characterized Shias as Iranian lackeys, and he periodically purged the Ba'th Party of its Shia members in order to make sure that the levers of state power and the banner of Arab nationalism remained firmly in Sunni hands. Shia privates filled the ragtag conscript ranks of Saddam's poorly equipped and ill-trained regular army, but the elite Republican Guards and Special Republican Guards were Sunnis almost to a man. Iraqi Shias revealed what they thought of the Ba'th Party when they insisted on including a clause in the August 2005 draft constitution that would ban all "racist" institutions, meaning among other things the Ba'th Party, and that barred former Ba'thists from holding office."
anyways, on another topix mojo, dont u see the irony of the egypt church attack.
whenever there is an attack in Egypt, the blame is put on foreigners (in this case Iraqi or iraqi alqaida), and whenever there is attack in iraq, it is blamed on foreigners (egyptians too).
Am i the only one who sees this?
"He's also very, VERY pro-Palestinian."
I'm still pro-Palestinian and I wish the best for the Palestinians, but honestly I've been disheartened by their (general) support for Saddam, and some Gazans supported Zarqawi.
A few weeks I did meet a Palestinian woman who grew up in Kuwait. She did not believe that Saddam was a cool cat like so many Palestinians have.
A few weeks AGO, I mean.
mojo, America and Saddam were all buddy buddy in the early 80s, right up until 91. they were ganging up on iran. Then saddam became a rogue element after knowing he had been played by the cia to kill hundreds of thousands of iranians in a pointless unjust war against iran, then thrown out like the used tampon he is.
too little too late
and i have news for you mojo. not every salafi is a terrorist, salafi just means following the salaf. many salafis are peaceful people.
There are almost always Saudis involved somehow. KSA arrested 125 Al Qaeda members in their latest sweep. The cells planned to mass murder through the use of poisoned candy given as gifts. The holier-than-thou jihadis supported themselves by robbery and extortion. I guess the drug business isn't so good in KSA.
"Some of us have been called some pretty nasty names for our seeming support of Israel."
Did I call anybody nasty names for being pro-Israel?
Yeah, you got downright abrasive Mojo. I don't think I've ever seen you that mad before, or since. The funny thing is, we're on the same page on most of it. I don't like seeing people abused either. The Palestinians shouldn't have their water or lands stolen. Nobody should.
Btw, I still think we should offer the Jews Montana. It would be a better homeland in every respect imo. Israel is a square peg in a round hole. It just doesn't fit.
Sorry for being abrasive, Maury. I guess it's because I've seen so many Americans unconditionally support Israel and believe that Israel has the right to have all of Palestine. But things have changed, especially in the age of the world wide web, and I should not pre-judge Americans who support Israel. They may support Palestine at the same time.
Thank you for saying that Palestinians shouldn't have their water stolen, Maury. I've seen a lot more Americans come out in support of the Palestinians and the need to resolve that conflict.
Islamic extremism has become a global problem.
'Mali does not deny that an estimated 200 to 300 fighters from Al Qaeda of the Islamic Maghreb (Maghreb being the Arabic term for west) have found a perch in their desert, although most are believed to be Mauritanians and Algerians. But Mali often depicts the terrorists as a problem generated elsewhere.
“We are hostages to a situation that does not concern us,” news reports quoted President Amadou Toumani Touré as saying.
Behind the scenes, however, the president has been more forthcoming. In a meeting with the American ambassador, Gillian A. Milovanovic, and senior American military officers last year, he said the extremists “have had difficulty getting their message across to a generally reluctant population,” according to an embassy cable obtained by WikiLeaks and made available to several news organizations. Still, Mr. Touré acknowledged, “they have had some success in enlisting disaffected youth to their ranks.”
In recent years, the Qaeda affiliate has left a trail of violence across Mauritania, Niger, Algeria and Mali, taking aim at tourists, expatriate workers, local residents and security forces. Hostages taken in the porous border regions have been executed or ransomed. Five French and two African workers kidnapped in Niger last September are believed to be held in northern Mali.'
That's okay Muhanned. Nothing like politics to get people riled up. The biggest problem imo, is that Jews and Arabs are more stubborn than mules. If an agreement could be fashioned that gave both sides everything they ever dreamed of, it would probably be rejected outright by both sides. You can beat a mule till your arm falls off, but if he doesn't want to move, forget about it. Offer him his favorite treat and he'll just look at you stupid. Unfortunately, I don't see the conflict EVER being resolved.
200 to 300 alqaida in all of the islamic maghrib (morroco, algeria, mauritania, tunis etc) WOW thats a global phenomenon
considering malis population of 15 million, whats 300/14000000
It takes less than 100 Al Qaeda schmucks to organize and execute an attack that kills nearly 3,000 innocent people from all over the world.
It takes less than 10 extremists to organize and execute an attack that kills dozens.
Feb 2010: "A car bomb ripped through a crowd of Shiite pilgrims outside the holy city of Karbala Friday, sending many fleeing into the path of a suicide attacker who detonated a second bomb in coordinated blasts that killed at least 40 people and wounded 150.
The twin bombing came on the final day of an annual Shiite religious observance, which has been the target of three large-scale attacks in Iraq this week alone. In Pakistan, two bombs targeting Shiites observing the same holy day Friday killed at least 25 people and wounded around 100 more."
or how about the genocide in bosnia at the hands of christians, or the genocide of chechnyans, or the persecution of muslims in china
Sunni Arabs have also been victims of Al Qaeda's murderous ways.
'Family members of 13 police and security workers killed a little more than two weeks ago in a car bombing outside the Anbar provincial compound had just arrived to receive promised government compensation for their deceased loved ones when a suicide bomber drove a car loaded with explosives into the compound's front gate.
Three minutes later, as emergency workers rushed to the scene, a second bomber wearing a suicide vest detonated himself amid the rescue efforts.
Muhammad Fathiy, a provincial council member and the head of the security committee of Anbar province, which is predominantly Sunni, said many of the dead and wounded were the family members of those who had lost relatives in the Dec. 12 attack. They had "shown up today to receive their compensation from the local government," he said.'
"Egyptian terrorist leadership has made attacks on Coptic Christians a cornerstone of its strategy. Back in 1981, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, the "blind sheikh" who is currently in US custody for his role in the first attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, advocated attacks on Coptic churches. In a fatwa, or religious edict, issued in the spring of that year, Rahman called for "the robbery and killing of Copts in furtherance of the jihad". Rahman was the leader of the Tanzim al Jihad, the predecessor of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Ayman al Zawahiri's terror group which merged with al Qaeda."
Read more: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/01/suspected_suicide_bo.php#ixzz19pIaZH28
All of those are local or regional whack jobs Anonymous. Al Qaeda has gone global. They're popping up everywhere Saudi Arabia has spread its bullshit cult. Surprise, surprise. Some people actually practice what the Royals preach. Wahabbism was an ideology created to put, and keep, the Al Saud family in power. It did its job well, but the fallout is killing thousands of innocent people. It's time for the Royals to apologize to the world and admit their pseudo-religion is, and always was, bullshit.
mojo, let me give you a scenario.
If Tony Soprano sent one of his goons after you, would you be mad at his goons or at Tony Soprano? Who is ultimately responsible?
Similarly, Saddam was a goon who was following the orders of America to attack Iran, supplied him with the chemicals to attack the kurds, who is ultimately responsible?
above comment was for maury
Proof:
Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula opposes the Al Saud monarchy.[2] AQAP was formed in January 2009 from a merger of al Qaeda's Yemeni and Saudi branches.[3] The Saudi group had been effectively suppressed by the Saudi government, forcing its members to seek sanctuary in Yemen.[4][5] It is believed to have several hundred members.[3]
The only problem the House of Saud has with Al Qaeda is, Al Qaeda doesn't support the House of Saud. That doesn't stop Saudi princes from funding Al Qaeda. It's just that they'd prefer Al Qaeda operate anywhere but in KSA.
It's no different from a country that creates a bunch of super soldiers. Badass killing machines are great on the battlefield. But, you really don't look forward to them coming home.
Maury you hit it spot on but you are missing one big part: America controls the house of Saud.
It is well known that it is easier to defeat a divided country than a unified one. It is in Americas interests not to see a unified Iraq. Don't believe me? ask a military strategist
mojo is highly pro-Zionist, and the best favor for Israel is to turn Iraq into an American base. It secures the eastern front for Israel, and mojo has been supportive of the American & Israeli project in his native Eraq
We are not really sure that the Lancet numbers are false. I really hope the death toll is only 100,000
but I fear there is some truth to the numbers reaching from 100,000 towards 1 million.
And even when the numbers are wrong, the reaction to the numbers by Americans tells you something. When the 660,000 figure was released by Lancet, Americans said:
"They killed 3000 of us, but we retaliated by killing 660,000 of them!"
And that kind of comment tells you everything about the war, and everything about the Iraqi traitors.
mojo celebrates, prematurely:
☼ Your peeps haven't come close to "taking down" Al-Maliki ☼
Well, be patient. Do you know how Lisa Left Eye Lopez disappeared at one point, and later on she was found.
But then in a separate incident, she was killed in a car crash. So just because you're safe one moment, doesn't guarantee the next.
maury opines :
☼ It's time for the Royals to apologize to the world and admit their pseudo-religion is, and always was, bullshit. ☼ ☼
Wahhabism is the true way imo.
Ibn Abdel Wahhab has written some good works, out of which muhannad mojo should probably read his paper: "Nullifiers of islam," point number 8.
The two mutually hostile strands of Wahhabism (pro-monarchy and anti-monarchy) are both upon the correct religion
"We are not really sure that the Lancet numbers are false. I really hope the death toll is only 100,000
but I fear there is some truth to the numbers reaching from 100,000 towards 1 million."
They are false. The two articles were propaganda exercises.
The Lancet is not a scientific journal but a weekly news magazine for doctors.
It is notorious for publishing Andrew Wakefield's corrupt "study" claiming that vaccination causes autism.
A maximum likely figure of 150,000 deaths from the Iraq war is still a large and very sad number. But I don't see how else Saddam could have been removed from power, other than by an invasion. What the Americans should be ashamed of is their lack of planning for the period after the invasion. This is what allowed the insurgency and general chaos to take hold.
"Wahhabism is the true way imo."
And Muslims who lived between the 7th and 18th centuries were following the "untrue" way? I suppose they went to hell, along with the 98% of Muslims you say go to hell today, right Dolly?
Muhammed bin 'Abd Al Wahhab buddied up to Muhammad ibn Saud, and the two of them did what was good for them, and nobody else. Wahhab's descendent is the Grand Mufti and al Saud's descendent is King. Just a marriage of political convenience. What allowed it to prosper was the lake of oil under the Shia portion of Saudi Arabia. Throw enough money into it, and people could be persuaded to worship Fred Flintstone.....LOL.
"What you're saying is that, if we wanted to look for the causes of what's happened -- Al Qaeda and the movement worldwide -- we would have to look to the schools, to the educational system which Saudi Arabia has fostered in the Islamic world?
... In order to have terrorists, in order to have supporters for terrorists, in order to have people who are willing to interpret religion in violent ways, in order to have people who are willing to legitimate crashing yourself into a building and killing 5,000 innocent people, you need particular interpretations of Islam.
Those interpretations of Islam are being propagated out of schools that receive organizational and financial funding from Saudi Arabia. In fact, I would push it further: that these schools would not have existed without Saudi funding. They would not have proliferated across Pakistan and India and Afghanistan without Saudi funding. They would not have had the kind of prowess that they have without Saudi funding, and they would not have trained as many people without Saudi funding."
Saudi Arabia largest funder of Islamist militant groups, suggests secret papers
"SAUDI ARABIA is the world’s largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Pakistan’s Lashkar-e-Taiba but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton."
Anonymous Canadian Arab, I meant to ask yesterday: what is wrong with saying "there are many good black people; my father's best friend was a black man" ?
So like, if I killed your daughter, and then you asked: "Do you at least regret your crime?"
And I answered: "I regret that I didn't plan it better."
↑ That is your "Mismanagement of the Invasion." ↑
The frigging war itself is the crime, and not the fact that it didn't go as smoothly as you thought.
The truly sickening thing is how they portrayed the aggressor troops as victims. So 1 U.S. soldier spends his day mowing down 100 Iraqis, and then when he gets killed himself, everyone is half mast.
"Why would Saddam be removed?"
Because he was a brutal Mafia-style dictator. He invaded neighbouring countries and supported terrorists.
The immediate reason for the invasion was to prevent him from launching or sponsoring a big attack in imitation of 9/11.
"There are other dictators also, like brother Umar al-Bashir (Sudan)."
The existence of other wicked tyrants does not make Saddam OK.
"So what is the logic of the U.S. being tasked with removing a dictatorship."
In this case, to prevent further terror attacks on the US, after 9/11. And because Saddam was a general menace.
"Also, the U.S. decided to stay for a decade after removing Saddam."
They didn't decide, they drifted into it. The original plan was to remove Saddam and get out quickly. The insurgency made this impossible, and bad planning allowed the insurgency to take hold.
""Wahhabism is the true way imo." (Dolly)
And Muslims who lived between the 7th and 18th centuries were following the "untrue" way? I suppose they went to hell, along with the 98% of Muslims you say go to hell today, right Dolly?" (Maury)
She did say "imo", so give her a bit of slack. I also disagree with her opinion, but at least she recognises that it is an opinion, and not "The Truth".
"But their actual crime is the aggression on Iraq"
The agression was not on Iraq as a whole, but on the Baathist regime which was oppressing the great majority of Iraqis.
Baathism is an Arab version of the Fascist movements which infested Europe in the early 20 C. The invasion of Iraq can be seen as a sequel to WW II.
"But their actual crime is the aggression on Iraq and the killing of its population"
This from someone who thinks 75% of Iraq's population should be murdered? The Bush administration was adament about the military not being used in a "nation building" capacity. It wanted to get in and out of Iraq as quickly as possible. Your virgin-seeking jihadis made that impossible. What should have been three years at the most, stretched into eight. Even with the US confined to bases, those mindless muj's ontinue slaughtering innocent Iraqi's.
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