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It's as if Israel has never been hostile to its neighbors in the last six decades.
Sunday, January 30, 2011
Israel does not want hostile Arab neighbors
Of course they don't. But that's what Israel will get if Israel continues to demolish Palestinian homes, annex Palestinian land, and treat the Palestinians as if the Palestinians invaded Israel and not the other way around.
It's as if Israel has never been hostile to its neighbors in the last six decades.
It's as if Israel has never been hostile to its neighbors in the last six decades.
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Muhannad,
You are spouting a lot of nonsense.
The Arab world doesn't care about the Palestinians, lol.
If they did, they would allow them to become naturalized citizens of their nations, and have the same rights as the Jordanians etc. No, the Palestinians are an Arab proxy to be used against Israel.
The Arab World despises Israel because of Arab Suprematicism and the vast anti-Jew paranoia inscribed within the Quran and other Islamic holy texts.
And perhaps Israel has been hostile to the Arabs because of the many attacks against it and the loathing hostility directed toward them from 100 million Angry Arabs.
By the way, why doesn't the Arab world show the same loathing to Iraq for running off all its Palestinians?
LOL, because the Iraqis are not the Jews.
MG,
The extremists in the Arab World are too busy punishing Iraqis for turning their back on the heroic "champion", Saddam Hussein. The Iraqi Gov't and any Iraqis who participate in it have been loathed almost as much as Israelis are.
You talk as if there weren't 7 back-to-back suicide attacks and car bombs earlier this month.
One question I really would like to ask though, is why the Arab world does not show the same hostility toward Turkey as it does to Israel. Turkey is a racist, genocidal regime that punishes its ethnic minorities in ruthless ways -- ie, banning the Kurdish language and sending a million Armenians to the killing fields.
Anti-government protests break out in Sudan
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/01/2011130131451294670.html
Furthermore, the injustice against Palestinians in Iraq lasted not more than two years. The injustice against Palestinians in Palestine has been ongoing for six decades.
Have you ever visited If Americans Knew ?
Israel got its land in 1948, a million Palestinians fled their homes and Israel didn't let them go back to their homes. The UN & US approved, but when Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, the UN and most of the world disapproved. Since 1967 Israel has slowly annexed more and more Palestinian land. It has nothing to do with Arab supremacy. It's just not right.
Even Israelis and American Jews have called bullshit on Israel and criticized Israel's land grabs and mistreatment of Palestinians.
Every read Ralph Schoenman? How about Norman Finkelstein? Are they Arab supremacists too?
"One question I really would like to ask though, is why the Arab world does not show the same hostility toward Turkey as it does to Israel."
Turkey has not treated the Palestinians like shit for the last six decades. Kurds are not Arabs.
I would say today the Arabs support Turkey because of the Gaza flotilla thing.
'One of the “new” names being mentioned as a possible alternative to President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Omar Suleiman, is actually not so new to anyone who has followed the American policy of renditions for terror suspects. After dissolving his cabinet yesterday, Mubarak appointed Suleiman vice-president, and according to many commentators he is poised to be a potential successor, and an alternative to Mubarak’s son and intended heir until now, Gamal Mubarak. Suleiman is a well-known quantity in Washington. Suave, sophisticated, and fluent in English, he has served for years as the main conduit between the United States and Mubarak. While he has a reputation for loyalty and effectiveness, he also carries some controversial baggage from the standpoint of those looking for a clean slate on human rights. As I described in my book “The Dark Side,” since 1993 Suleiman has headed the feared Egyptian general intelligence service. In that capacity, he was the C.I.A.’s point man in Egypt for renditions—the covert program in which the C.I.A. snatched terror suspects from around the world and returned them to Egypt and elsewhere for interrogation, often under brutal circumstances.'
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/01/who-is-omar-suleiman.html#ixzz1CaPByO00
If by "Christians" you mean Egyptian Copts or Sudanese Christians, I'd say yes, absolutely those Christians have a right to hate Arabs.
Mojo,
Rand Paul -- a hardcore Republican -- proposed cutting aid to Israel and got attacked by Democrats. Its not a partisan thing.
BTW, if your theory is true, don't you think its hypocritical that Turkey is welcome to the club of Mideast allies? If Arabs hate occupation, they shouldn't embrace a regime that murdered a million people and set the model for the Holocaust. Turkey is about the last country on earth that should be criticizing Israel's actions...except for maybe Sri Lanka, which has also been critical.
If we want to confine our hatred to those who have mistreated Palestinians, it should be noted that Palestine's Christian population is down by 80% in the last 20 years or so. The other 20% isn't exactly living large. A Christian woman in Gaza better not be caught on the streets without a Muslim veil.
Still, I'm not of the opinion that Christians everywhere should hate Arabs or Muslims. I wouldn't recommend hatred for anyone. A society filled with hate is a society going no where. It will stagnate at best. At worst, it will chew itself to pieces.
Arabs do not necessarily hate Israel. We just want justice for the Palestinians. So do many educated Jewish Americans:
"In the complex situation in which Palestinians and Israelis currently find themselves, two things seems equally evident: First, a viable and truly sovereign Palestinian state alongside Israel is an absolute prerequisite for a just and lasting peace; and second, Israel needs a Palestinian state. Without a Palestine state Israel faces what it considers as two unacceptable options. If it annexes the Occupied Territories and grants citizenship to their three million Palestinian inhabitants, it creates de facto a bi-national state of 5 million Jews and 4 million Palestinians (not counting the refugees), an option that would end the Zionist enterprise. If it continues its Occupation, it inevitably creates a system of outright apartheid, an untenable option in the long run."
--Jeff Halper, a Jewish American
I'm all for a just solution. I just can't see it happening. Even if everything else could be ironed out, there's still the "right to return" elephant in the room. Suppose we woke up tomorrow and thanks to some kind of strange miracle, both sides agreed on borders and the State of Palestine was declared. They raised a flag, had their celebration etc. etc.
The next day, we're right back to square one. The Arab League declares there will never be peace until all 50 billion Palestinian refugees are returned to Israel. Around and around we go.
"Rand Paul -- a hardcore Republican -- proposed cutting aid to Israel and got attacked by Democrats. Its not a partisan thing. "
True, most Democrats are in bed with Israel too. It's hard to get elected without the support of AIPAC. I don't know how Rand Paul won.
I doubt Mr. Paul wanted to cut aid to Israel out of his great concern for the Palestinians. I'm sure it has more to do with his desire to cut spending, which by itself is not necessarily a bad thing.
"Arabs do not necessarily hate Israel."
Its not just about Arabs...Islamic countries like Pakistan and Indonesia shun Israel too, even though they maintain warm relations with Turkey. Are Kurds less Muslim than Arabs?
"I think it has to do with Jerusalem and the importance of Jerusalem in Islam."
Yes, but by that logic the Mullahs in Iran should be more concerned about the Wahabbis controlling Mecca and Medina, which are more holy than Jerusalem. Yet, the IRI maintains relations (albeit sometimes strained) with KSA while screaming about everything Israel does. Unlike the Jews in Israel, Wahabbis have inflicted TREMENDOUS harm on Shia.
I think the Iraqi Shia understand this very well, C.H. The Iraqi Shia hate the Wahhabis these days more than anybody.
"Kurds don't get the moral support of Muslims like Palestinians do."
Not only that, they get attacked by other Muslims and Muslim countries like Syria, Iran, and pre-2003 Iraq. Iran hangs Kurds and calls their insurgents "terrorists" while (artificially) sobbing over Palestinian homes and sending money to Hamas for bullets and rockets.
""All the people hate [Mubarak]!" one protester shouted. "He's supporting Israel! Israel is our enemy. We don't like him... Israel and America supported him. We hate them all. We don't like them!""
Muhannad,
I'm aware that Palestinians make up a sizeable minority of Jordanian citizens, and perhaps Jordan wasn't the best example to cite - Lebanon is more apropos to my point - and I recall reading several stories that Palestinians in many Arab countries don't have full rights.
However, even in Jordan, Palestinian rights are problematical:
From the AP:
Human Rights Watch: Jordan revoked 2,700 Palestinians' citizenship recently.
A US-based human rights group criticized Jordan Monday for stripping the citizenship of nearly 3,000 Jordanians of Palestinian origin in recent years.
Nearly half the kingdom's 6 million people are of Palestinian origin and Jordan fears that if Palestinians become the majority, it will disrupt the delicate demographic balance.
Concerned about increasing numbers of Palestinians in the country, Jordan in 2004 began revoking citizenship from Palestinians who do not have the Israeli permits that are necessary to reside in the West Bank.
That was not a particularly bright utterance by Rand Paul. Considering the US has spent a trillion in Iraq
to establish a Shia fundamentlaist-Christian genocide state and hundreds of billions in Afghanistan so that Muslim apostates can be imprisoned, the foreign aid given to Israel is a piss in the ocean.
And if the MB takes over Egypt, I can't see a Republican-controlled House allowing any more foreign aid to Egypt. That would be insane.
Meanwhile, with the Middle East going Islamacist and fundamentalism surging, I would think there would be an increase of aid to Israel, at least military aid in the future.
While visiting your blog after an entire year, it sure seems to communicate that someone has softened his stand toward Palestinians while holding Israelis accountable for their misdeeds. I don't sense that undying love for Israel resonating here as it use to.
Perhaps it all comes down to perception.
If you read my posts with the labels Palestine and Israel, you will see that I've been writing about Palestine and Israel since 2007. I've always wanted to see some kind of justice in Palestine, even since I started reading about Palestine in college.
The events in Iraq have complicated my own personal feelings about modern day Palestinians, especially the Palestinians who loved Saddam. Even if they do love Saddam, we should not mistreat them. Just like we should not mistreat Tikritis who love Saddam. They deserve freedom of speech, at least.
But it's really the events in Egypt that remind me that solving the Palestine problem fairly and quickly should take immediate priority. The Arabs and Muslims should not have any legitimate reasons to hate the US & Israel. At this time, the Palestine issue is still a legitimate reason to hate Israel. I'd like to see Israel change for the sake of peace in the entire region, including in Israel. I want to visit a peaceful and prosperous Israel and Palestine eventually.
I meant EVER since I started reading about Palestine.
It's not just in Egypt. This is a new age of democracy and justice.
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