Sunday, January 30, 2011

US pays Egypt to keep peace with Israel

"Many analysts here said that even if Mr. Mubarak were forced to leave office, those who replaced him could maintain Egypt’s peace treaty with Israel, since it is the basis for more than $1 billion in annual aid to Cairo from Washington and much foreign investment."

The $1 billion does not include a billion or two in military aid. That seems like an artificial peace, if the US has to give Egypt billions of dollars every year.

Despite the peace between Egypt and Israel, "24,813 Palestinian homes have been demolished by Israel since 1967."

21 comments :

Jon Claerbout said...

How did the Israelis choose which homes to demolish?

I wish you well, but why aspire to a conflict with Israel? Why not study them instead? Figure out why don't the many Arab Israelis dream to move to Egypt or Iraq?

Iraqi Mojo said...

The Israelis want the hills of the West Bank and East Jerusalem too, it is obvious.

I do not aspire to a conflict with Israel. The conflict has been ongoing for six decades and is a natural result of Israel's continued land grabs and oppression of the Palestinians.

I wish the conflict would end. Why doesn't Israel withdraw from the West Bank and East Jerusalem and abide by UNSC Resolution 242?

The Arabs living in Israel are lucky compared to the Palestinians living in Gaza, or the Egyptians or Iraqis. But the conflict has nothing to do with Israeli Arabs. It is the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza that need self-determination.

Give the Palestinians a state, give them self-determination like Israeli Arabs have, stop stealing their water and strangling their economy, and maybe eventually the Palestinians in the occupied territories would be as happy as Arab Israelis.

Sometimes I find the perspective of conservative Americans to be quite astounding. It's as if they're saying: "Why don't you leave poor little Israel alone and allow them to annex all of Palestine?"

Iraqi Mojo said...

"In the complex situation in which Palestinians and Israelis currently find themselves, two things seems equally evident: First, a viable and truly sovereign Palestinian state alongside Israel is an absolute prerequisite for a just and lasting peace; and second, Israel needs a Palestinian state. Without a Palestine state Israel faces what it considers as two unacceptable options. If it annexes the Occupied Territories and grants citizenship to their three million Palestinian inhabitants, it creates de facto a bi-national state of 5 million Jews and 4 million Palestinians (not counting the refugees), an option that would end the Zionist enterprise. If it continues its Occupation, it inevitably creates a system of outright apartheid, an untenable option in the long run." --Jeff Halper

Bruno said...

Jon's comments put the blame on the Palestinians who choose to stay in their homes instead of emigrating. That's like blaming the German Jews who stayed in Germany for the Holocaust. Some folks should get a clue.

Maury said...

Welcome back Bruno. Believe it or not, I kind of miss your banter.

Maury said...

We pay both Egypt and Israel in annual military aid. It's ridiculous. And sacrosanct.

Like I said before, even if Islamists take over Egypt, they'll get the $1.5 billion annual stipend to play nice with Israel. Would the Arab world also view that government as a US stooge? Probably not.

C.H. said...

"That's like blaming the German Jews who stayed in Germany for the Holocaust."


Why is it that hateful people are so eager to compare Israel to Nazi Germany? You never hear "peace activists" use those words to describe Sri Lanka or Turkey...

Don Cox said...

An artificial peace is better than war. A war between Israel and Egypt would be devastating for both sides.

The Palestinians could have had their own state in 1948 if they had accepted the UN proposals for partition. The longer they go on refusing to accept the existence of Israel, the smaller their territory gets.

For the Israelis, Jerusalem is their capital city. Dividing it would be like dividing Baghdad to Iraqis.

Dolly said...

Because I heard there was some apartheid going on? Israel is better known as the Apartheid State of Israel. Not just by the darkies, but also people from Europe ← they all say Israel is discriminatory.

I have no idea, but I do know that they call themselves "Jewish State" and refuse to call themselves a state of its citizens regardless of their ethnicity.

Dolly said...

Don Cox incorrectly thinks he's all that:
☼ The longer they go on refusing to accept the existence of Israel, the smaller their territory gets. ☼

And the wider the jewish occupation extends, the happier Don Cox becomes.

It is too bad that we are going to put an end to Yid tyranny in the region.
I wonder what you are going to pleasure yourself to afterwards

Dolly said...

Norman Finkelstein is probably a good intellectual to listen to on Israel.

Maury said...

"It is too bad that we are going to put an end to Yid tyranny in the region."

You are going to piss off the wrong Yid, and Mecca is going to become a radioactive hole in the ground. OBL has been trying to get his hands on nukes for 15 years. A Jewish terrorist worth $300 million would have a nuclear arsenal within a month.

Keep talking shit though Dolly. Just yesterday you claimed you were going to obliterate Iraqi Shia. Today, it's the juice. Tomorrow, you'll probably boast of the western hemisphere's imminent demise. Whatever....

Maury said...

Robert Oppenheimer invented the atomic bomb. Edward Teller invented the hydrogen bomb. Samuel Cohen invented the neutron bomb. That's right Dolly, all three were Jewish. While you were finger painting in kindergarten, those little fuckers were designing doomsday weapons. Do you really think some retard in a suicide vest will intimidate them?

Don Cox said...

"And the wider the jewish occupation extends, the happier Don Cox becomes."

I do think the West Bank and the whole of Jerusalem should be part of Israel, but most Israelis would disagree, and it's their country not mine.

As for Israel being a Jewish state, isn't Latvia a Latvian state, Serbia a Serbian state, Ireland an Irish state ? - and so on. Arab citizens of Israel have much better rights than Palestinians in Lebanon.

Iraqi Mojo said...

The Israelis don't want to annex all of the West Bank and Gaza because then they would have to give all those Palestinians citizenship, and they don't want to do that because then the number of non-Jewish citizens of Israel would equal and eventually exceed the number of Jewish citizens of Israel.

Many people, including many Arabs, would like to see a one state solution in which Palestinians and Jews are citizens of the same country. I'd like to see that too. The two-state solution is looking impractical.

K said...

Why can't we forget Israel for one week Mojo?

So the US cowardly bribed Egypt and Israel to pacify and keep the Suez canal open. So what? Isn't that better then the annihilation we saw in Lebanon? Or the destruction we saw in the Six Days War? What if Israel had decided to annex Sinai?

Carter's peace agreement was generally pretty pathetic, but I don't think it had anything to do with Mubarak staying in power and I think it is counter-productive to wander off topic from encouraging the democratic revolution.

Sure, it has been an artificial peace. A real peace will come when we have legitimate democracies sitting next to each other, whose people may freely talk to each other.

K said...

8-Year-Old Girl Lectures Egypt’s Mubarak on YouTube

Take 51 seconds and have it explained to you by Juju, a precocious 8-year-old Saudi girl.

If you have kids or know them well, you’ll recognize the innate sense of fairness that every 8-year-old can plainly feel in any situation. Let them vote, let somebody else have a turn. Didn’t we all learn this in kindergarten?

And by the way, Mr. Mubarak, “Some of your police officers removed their jackets and they’re joining the people.” Priceless.

Iraqi Mojo said...

It's great that there's peace between Egypt and Israel. But it shouldn't have to cost the US billions of dollars. It solves the problem in the short-term, but it may aggravate the problem in the long term. The anger with respect to Palestine has been simmering for decades, and not just in Egypt. How much longer must the Arabs stand by as Israel expels more Palestinians? How much longer must the Palestinians in the occupied territories wait for a true sovereign state? The anger will eventually boil over. We should not ignore it.

Iraqi Mojo said...

I wonder what would happen to that Saudi girl and her family if she lectures the Saudi royal family like that.

K said...

Good point about the Saudi girl. I wondered about that too. A common pattern seems to be for dictators to allow their people to criticize other dictators and other countries, just not their own.

C.H. said...

"I have no idea, but I do know that they call themselves "Jewish State""


And how many countries out there call themselves "Islamic Republic"?