Friday, February 05, 2010

When should the US get out of Iraq?

Two years ago I asked "when should the US get out of Iraq?" Those were opinions from a few pundits. When I started this blog I added two polls (not scientific) to my sidebar, one asking "when should the US withdraw from Iraq?" With 1,481 votes, almost half believe the U.S. should stay in Iraq for "as long as it takes." One commenter asked "For as long as it takes to do what?" Good question.

On one hand, many people feel that the US should stay in Iraq to ensure that Iran does not take over Baghdad completely. On the other hand, many Iraqis believe that the US should stay in Iraq to ensure that Saddamists do not return to dominate. In an email exchange with my friend Alaa the Mesopotamian, he wrote:

I have lived with Baathists in Iraq and worked with them. I must admit that like most people in Iraq today we would be prepared to forgive many of them if they really felt that there was something wrong of the Baathist era. Some are quite normal people and had to join the party as we all know, for purely opportunist reasons. Some could not avoid it, for sure because of Baathist policy of demanding membership for army people, for University teachers, for a teaching job etc. etc. So like they say, if these were not involved in any crimes, I suppose they have to be reintegrated and given their civil rights. The problem is that the Baathists as a whole cannot be trusted. Their pretense of wanting to join the political process is not just innocent desire to join the new democratic process. Mostly it is an attempt at infiltration with a coup in the back of their minds. Believe me no one knows them better than me. I managed to avoid joining for years despite the fact that I used to be employed in the most sensitive kind of jobs.

I dont really believe, that anyone who does not really want to join couldnt avoid it. However, it will be most gratifying and a dream if these people can really change. The most terrifying thing from my perspective is the question of what will happen once the Americans do withdraw as is expected. I have talked about that and I am very apprehensive about the future. You left Iraq early in your life and you dont really know these people. In the words of someone I knew who was himself a high ranking member and left them, words that I cannot forget: "The Baath party is an organisation for criminals". Who do you think is doing all these acts of terrorism in Iraq? Al-Qaeda? AQ was always a tool in their hands, admittedly once out of control, but nowadays almost insignificant and what remains of them are entirely in the service of the Baathists and their allies. The Iraqi AQ members themselves were mostly ex-regime members. This is a fact that everybody knows and amply proved from the many arrests that have been made.

Well, with the Americans around, they will not dare stage any coup; but with the Americans out - Allah Yustur. [God have mercy]'

I believe we should be careful when labeling people "Baathist" and we should remember that the majority of Baathists did not participate in violent crimes. However, I can understand Alaa's perspective and I share his fears. I believe the Iraqi government should allow the neo-Baathists to run and participate in government, but the US should stay in Iraq until Iraqi security forces can stand on their own and can defend against any threat.

Even in the case of a complete withdrawal from Iraq, the US military will not be far away in Kuwait and Qatar.

11 comments :

Habis said...

Stupid your friend is stupid like you and he knows he is talking to a stupid who "left young" and so he can be as stupid as he wants knowing the other stupid, thats you, would not know how stupid he is.

Jeffrey said...

Habis,

You don't know who Alaa is? His voice is one of the most respected in the Iraqi blogosphere. He belongs to the first wave of Iraqi bloggers. You throw around words such as "stupid" like a spoiled teenager, repeating the same word because both your vocabulary and your knowledge are so limited. Everyone can see that, Habis. Aren't you embarrassed?

Of course, if you yourself are in fact a Baathist, then that only strengthens Alaa's view and his fears of people like you having any power over others.

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Habis said...

Stupid your guest is stupid too. Jeffrey you are also stupid. I am not a Bathi but I support anyone who kills occupying soldiers and traitors. Bathis, wahabis, jihadis, commies, lefties, righties, dummies, wannabes, or anyone else. If you fight the foreing occupation and traitors you are alright with me.

anyone make wawa for mojo is good

Habis said...

stupid i noticed all your stupid guests, all 3 of them, are probably in california. all you stupids do not speak arabic and have never been to iraq. where do you come up with such insight and analysis? lol.

the bad boys make wawas for everybody. the nice american jews and christians they go make bad boys stop making wawas. i no like wawas. i no play with bad bad arabjarab. i like play with nice little white boys. little white boys no make waws for mojo. and little white boys say mojo you say arabjarab and mojo say arabjarab. white boys say mojo say arab bad mojo say arab bad. little white boys are nice to me. they let me play with them and they no make wawa. all i have to do is say something bad about the bad arabjarab and they are my friends. they are nice to me. no make wawa. i no like wawa. arabjarab mean to me. white boys nice to me.

Iraqi Mojo said...

Habis is not a Baathist? Just a Jordanian Saddamist?

Anonymous said...

Dear Mojo,
I don't understand how there can be worries of a Baath coup,American presence or not.Is this just Iraqi PTS ? The era of coups is over,and I don't see how a small, and widely dispised Baath could take over in 2010 Iraq.
The Iranians ? It's time for the Iranians to start worrying about the influence of Iraq on Iran,instead of the other way round.
I'm not sure I'd like the results, but I wish your poll was on every ballot on March 7th.What happened to the SOFA referendum?
BUSHTHELIBERATOR

Jeffrey said...

Habis,

all you stupids

Welcome back, Kotter!

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Anonymous said...

Iraqi Mojo said...
Habis is not a Baathist? Just a Jordanian Saddamist?

2/5/10 5:40 PM

As if you know the difference stupid? Stupid all of Jordan is Bath if you define Bath as support for Saddam Hussein. Not only that stupid but all Arabs are Bath because they all supported Saddam stupid. Only the traitors did not support Saddam. So everyone is Bath.

all the arabs are bad arabjarab. they all make wawa to mojo. bad bad arabjarab. they all bad bad. saddam make wawa and they all like saddam. i no like saddam. he mean to me and my baba. i like american white boys. they nice. but mean bad arabjarab now make wawa for the nice americans.

Iraqi Mojo said...

" all Arabs are Bath because they all supported Saddam "

How embarrassing for the Arabs.

Dolly said...

I disliked Saddam between 1993 and 2003, because the country was really in a sad state.

I didn't blame it on him squarely, because ultimately the cruel embargoes were in place by U.S. design, and not by Saddam's personal wishes.
Nonetheless, Saddam did symbolize that era of isolation of Iraq, so I opposed him.

Then I also didn't care about him from 2003 until 2006, I was actually amused that he had been arrested because
I had bought some stocks the previous day which meant they were likely to be up on the news.

However: the Americans' and other evildoers' pathological obsession with Saddam Hussein,
coupled with his heroic stance at his killing at the hands of the animals, made me really start holding him in high esteem.

Iraqi Mojo said...

" made me really start holding him in high esteem. "

Millions of shit-for-brains jarab agree with you.