Thursday, June 17, 2010

Who should lead Iraqi government?

' “Any government without Iyad Allawi would be a disaster for Iraq, especially for its security,” says Muwafaq al-Rubaie, a former national-security adviser under Mr Maliki. The Sunni insurgency that still persists would get a fillip. Virtually all prominent politicians across the spectrum say that all four of the main alliances—Mr Allawi’s Iraqiya, Mr Maliki’s State of Law group, the Iraqi National Alliance in which Mr Sadr’s people predominate, and the Kurds—should come together, each well represented in a grand coalition.

But the animosity between Sunni and Shia Arabs means it is still uncertain that Mr Allawi will get a senior job, let alone the prime minister’s. Iraqi Shias still feel, after a millennium of being treated as lowlier than the Sunnis despite being a majority, that they deserve the political cake unshared. “They far prefer dealing with a harassing [Sunni] insurgency than with what they see as a lethal fifth column embedded within the state apparatus”, writes Joost Hiltermann of International Crisis Group, a conflict-resolution outfit.

For their part, most Sunni Arabs, who ran the show under Saddam Hussein, doggedly refuse even to admit that they are a numerical minority. There has been no full census since 1987 and precise sectarian data have been unavailable for even longer. But most independent pundits reckon Shia Arabs make up more than half the population, Sunni Arabs less than a quarter, Kurds (most of whom are Sunni) around a fifth, while Turkomans, Christians and others make up the rest.'

13 comments :

Aymenn Jawad Al-Tamimi said...

The notion that the Shi'a have been the majority in Mesopotamia for over a millenium is nonsense. It is true that cities such as Karbala and Najaf have had significant Shi'a populations for over a millenium, but the Shi'a were not a majority until the mid 19th century as the majority of Iraqi Shi'a are descendants of recent converts from the nomadic tribes that settled and took up agriculture in the fertile plains in the south and around Baghdad.

Anonymous said...

Joost Hilterman? hahaaaahaha Another white man who thinks he knows the Arabs.

Aton said...

What is an Arab?

Aton said...

-ANON- this loser thinks he speaks for Arabs. Why Anonymous? Are you to cowardly to ascribe YOUR ArabJarab dribble to a name, or person?

It doesn’t matter anyway; everybody knows you are too stupid to articulate belief, mission or even meaningless commentary.

Bruno said...

Aton is a moron

Iraqi Mojo said...

So for most of Islamic history the Shia have been a persecuted minority.

''The Umayyad caliphs, and more so their successors, the Abbasids (750-1258), who ruled from Baghdad, imprisoned and killed Shia imams and encouraged Sunni ulama to define Sunni orthodoxy and contain the people of Shiism. By the tenth century Sunni jurists of the Hanbali school, known for their intolerance of Shiism, held sway over Baghdad, and fear of Shia revolts supported their penchant for purifying Islam. The last decades of that century witnessed anti-Shia violence in Baghdad and its environs – mosques and Ashouras were attacked, and Shias were even killed or burned alive. When in 971 C.E. Roman forces attacked the Abbasid domain, the first response of the caliph’s forces and the angry and terrified Sunnis was to blame the Shia. Shia houses in al-Karkh (in today’s Iraq) – which had become a refuge for Shias who escaped persecution in Baghdad – were torched as the attackers chanted, “You [Shias] are the cause of all evil.” In a pattern of behavior that would be repeated throughout the centuries down to the present, the Shia bore the brunt of popular frustrations with the failures of Sunni rulers. Treated as the enemy within, they were the first to come under suspicion when there was an external threat to the ruling Sunni establishment. By the middle of the eleventh century, persecuting the Shia of al-Karkh had become a custom; ever Saturday, Sunni mobs would show up at Shia mosques and shrines before looting the town, saying “You blasphemers! Convert to Islam!"

By the eleventh century these attitudes had also been canonized by Hanbali jurists, who condemned Shias as rafidis, or rejecters of the Truth. They said that Shias should not lead prayers or marry Sunnis, and that any meat that Shias slaughtered was not halal (permissible) for Sunni consumption. In short, the Shia were not to be treated as Muslims. After the Mongol sack of Baghdad and the destruction of the Abasid caliphate in 1258, attacks on Shiism grew even sharper. Hanbali characterization has in recent history found a reflection in the extremist Sunnis' demonization of Shiism, which regards the faith as a heresy and a bigger threat to "true" Islam than Christianity and Judaism.'

--Vali Nasr, The Shia Revival

Dolly said...

Vali Nasr:
"Hanbali jurists, who condemned Shias as rafidis, or rejecters of the Truth."

Raafidhi means rejector of Abu Bakr and 3Umar.

There are 72 deviant sects: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTBwVEww2qQ

The reason Shia are worse, is that a kaafir asli (original unbeliever) can still be invited to islaam.

Aton said...

Bruno is the disgrace who cheered the terrorist bombing campaigns of innocent women and children shopping in Iraqi markets.

Aton said...

"New Video: 'Peace Activists' Planning Violence"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSYjuDEZw1w&feature=player_embedded

Don Cox said...

"Sunnis' demonization of Shiism, which regards the faith as a heresy and a bigger threat to "true" Islam than Christianity and Judaism.'"

Generally, believers hate those whose beliefs are close to their own much more than they hate those whose beliefs are totally different. You can see this in the constant splitting of socialists and Marxists into smaller and smaller groups, all hating each other.

A person whose views differ from yours in only one or two points is scary because he could open up a crack in your 100% certain world.

Bruno said...

Aton is the cocksucker that drank Iraqi children's blood out of margherita glasses.

Bruno's Burning Anus said...

You're a worse piece of Afrikaner trash than Terre Blanche, Bruno. Hopefully one of the "blicks" will soon deal with you in the same way

Bruno said...

Awwww ... the "sun god" seems stung to the quick. Which is why he's trolling around as an asshole yet again.

Don't bother using another name, "sun god".

It's obvious you're a butthole anyway.