tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post5859332242121527326..comments2023-10-25T08:34:59.128-07:00Comments on Iraqi <i>American</i> Mojo: Israel "jittery" about gas supply from EgyptIraqi Mojohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-44183306996051945902011-02-09T13:13:32.804-08:002011-02-09T13:13:32.804-08:00Individuals contributing to the Islamic Golden Age...Individuals contributing to the Islamic Golden Age were not necessarily Muslim however, considering many parts of the then-tolerant Islamic world were inhabited by other religious groups, such as Christians, Jews and Mandeans.<br /><br />Religious freedom, though society was still controlled under Islamic values, helped create cross-cultural networks by attracting Muslim, Christian and Jewish intellectuals and thereby helped spawn the greatest period of philosophical creativity in the Middle Ages from the 8th to 13th centuries. Another reason the Islamic world flourished during this period was an early emphasis on freedom of speech, as summarized by al-Hashimi (a cousin of Caliph al-Ma'mun) in the following letter to one of the religious opponents he was attempting to convert through reason.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/27nc2o<br /><br /><br />Tolerance, religious freedom, and freedom of speech. Imagine that. Is it any wonder Islam flourished then, and the West flourishes today? I don't think Sharia will fix what's wrong with the Muslim world. Tolerance might though.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-73930355272004456872011-02-09T13:02:38.264-08:002011-02-09T13:02:38.264-08:00Muslims need to come to grips with why the Islamic...Muslims need to come to grips with why the Islamic Golden Age ended, and 700 years of stagnation settled in. My own opinion is that Muslims went from being tolerant of other peoples, cultures, and opinions, to being intolerant of anyone, or anything, the clerics chose not to like. <br /><br />There was a time when Muslims, Christians, and Jews collaborated. They shared knowledge and ideas, built libraries and universities, and reasoned through their philosophical and religious differences. At some point, the Islamic world turned inward, and began to distrust everyone, and everything, from outside. I think Islam still has a lot to offer. But, not before Muslims realize where they went wrong, and do a whole lot to fix it.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-76106113939221985962011-02-09T11:27:34.357-08:002011-02-09T11:27:34.357-08:00WP: 'Sharia in Arabic means "way" or...WP: 'Sharia in Arabic means "way" or "path." Muslims agree that sharia is God's law, but there is <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/25/AR2010082504298.html" rel="nofollow">little consensus</a> on the particulars. To some, sharia is a set of rules that are codified and unchanging. To others, it's a collection of religious principles that shift over time.<br /><br />Imam Yahya Hendi, Muslim chaplain at Georgetown University and spokesman of the Islamic Jurisprudence Council of North America, describes Muslims as being divided into two camps: "Those who see sharia mandating that we live as Muslims did 1,300 years ago, and those who say sharia doesn't have a specific format as to how you live your life, that Islam gives you paradigms." 'Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-12712817258323309152011-02-09T11:18:31.351-08:002011-02-09T11:18:31.351-08:00Wikipedia: "Muslims have responded in a varie...Wikipedia: "Muslims have responded in a variety of ways to the forces of modernity. These responses cross the lines of tradition, sect and school. They affect the way Sharia is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia#Modern_perspectives_on_Sharia" rel="nofollow">interpreted</a> by the individual in their personal lives, and the extent to which Sharia is implemented in the public sphere by the state."Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-31194286895619683262011-02-09T07:31:08.197-08:002011-02-09T07:31:08.197-08:00[sigh] Mojo, Mojo, Mojo...
As Ayaan Hirsi Ali said...[sigh] Mojo, Mojo, Mojo...<br />As Ayaan Hirsi Ali said,<br /> "The Muslim Brotherhood will insist that a vote for them is a vote for Allah’s law. But the positions of power in government will not be filled by God and his angels. These positions will be filled by men so arrogant as to put themselves in the position of Allah. And as the Iranians of 2009 have learned to their cost, it is harder to vote such men out of office than to vote them in."<br /><br />If Sharia comes to Egypt, there will be no further votes that matter. We have examples of Iran and the Taliban--governments founded but by people who cared a great deal about the tenets of Islam. But SOME people keep deluding themselves that they were aberrations.CMAR IInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-72091907696857459552011-02-09T00:27:54.445-08:002011-02-09T00:27:54.445-08:00Sumbul Ali-Karamali grew up in Southern California...Sumbul Ali-Karamali grew up in Southern California, answering questions about Islam. LOL.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/4cqlskpMauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-71677889416017808992011-02-09T00:20:50.376-08:002011-02-09T00:20:50.376-08:00I can't find any references to those priciples...I can't find any references to those priciples from an actual cleric, or even a legitimate Islamic website. Nobody quoting those six principles bothers to link to something that backs the claim up. In other words, some dingbat in LA made the claim, and gullible people started quoting it as gospel.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-44858681802173400872011-02-09T00:12:18.445-08:002011-02-09T00:12:18.445-08:00I think those "six principles of sharia"...I think those "six principles of sharia" came from this article, written by an Islamic scholar surfer chick from Southern California. Of course, once it appeared on the internet, it became true, LOL.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/22t3c6wMauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-82926629938034754892011-02-08T23:56:03.123-08:002011-02-08T23:56:03.123-08:00'According to a report published in 2006, stud...'According to a report published in 2006, student friends say he called himself "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary" rel="nofollow">Andy</a>", drank alcohol, indulged in casual sex, smoked cannabis and even took LSD. A friend was also reported as saying that he expressed anger at the publication of The Satanic Verses by Salman Rushdie.[2] In March 2009 the Daily Mail published photographs of Choudary as a student, which appear to show him drinking, posing with a pornographic magazine, and smoking cannabis.[62] Choudary himself says claims about alcohol and drug use are "all fabricated",[2] although in an interview with The Independent newspaper published later in 2009 he acknowledged "yeah, obviously, I had a period where I was not practising ... I have no shame at all in saying that I didn't always use to be like this. And I have great thanks to Allah that he guided me."[63]'<br /><br />It seems the converts in western countries always get media attention.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-39504359163136770082011-02-08T23:41:55.844-08:002011-02-08T23:41:55.844-08:00Fact is most western nations enforce the principle...Fact is most western nations enforce the principles of Sharia better than most Muslim countries, it seems.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-32674525224471220832011-02-08T23:35:26.270-08:002011-02-08T23:35:26.270-08:00"You can live under Sharia," Anjem Choud..."You can live under Sharia," Anjem Choudary tells Sean Hannity. Meanwhile Anjem Choudary is living under UK law, which supersedes Islamic law. Sean shoulda asked him if Sharia is enforced in London. LOLIraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-79003036981957832342011-02-08T23:28:56.188-08:002011-02-08T23:28:56.188-08:00Thanks for linking to the clip of Sean Hannity, M...Thanks for linking to the clip of Sean Hannity, Maury. Hannity did a good job in interviewing Anjem Choudary, "a British former solicitor, and, before it was proscribed, spokesman for the Islamist group Islam4UK. He is married, has four children, and lives in Ilford, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary" rel="nofollow">London</a>."<br /><br />Perhaps next time Mr. Hannity will interview an Egyptian Islamist to give us an idea of what they would want in government.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-54549569956111149172011-02-08T23:14:53.972-08:002011-02-08T23:14:53.972-08:00"The Quran is somewhat older than that."..."The Quran is somewhat older than that."<br /><br />And the 1400 year-old Qur'an says: ‘Do not argue with the followers of earlier revelation [Jews and Christians] otherwise than in a most <a href="http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/2007/10/true-muslims-respect-jews-and.html" rel="nofollow">kindly manner</a> – unless it be such of them as are bent on evil-doing – and say: “We believe in that which has been bestowed from on high upon us, as well as that which has been bestowed upon you; for our God and your God is one and the same, and it is unto Him that we [all] surrender ourselves.”’Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-22617704043841927182011-02-08T23:09:43.552-08:002011-02-08T23:09:43.552-08:00Someone should send this Sharia judge a copy of th...Someone should send this Sharia judge a copy of those 6 principles. Something tells me he didn't get the memo.<br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/4hjuvdmMauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-14575608287278095772011-02-08T22:13:48.044-08:002011-02-08T22:13:48.044-08:00"the six principles of shariah:"
I thin..."the six principles of shariah:"<br /><br />I think you've been smoking something Mojo. Freedom of religion? In Sharia? C'mon man. <br /><br />The oldest reference I can find to those so-called principles is 6 months. The Quran is somewhat older than that. Surely someone bothered to write these cherished principles down before last Sept?Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-62389740053463795002011-02-08T21:16:31.685-08:002011-02-08T21:16:31.685-08:00"...Mojo, if they impose Sharia law, there wi..."...Mojo, if they impose Sharia law, there will BE no further elections."<br /><br />I think it depends on how they impose "Sharia" law. If they stick to the six principles of Sharia, they should be fine. One of the principles of Sharia is freedom of religion. It should be clear: freedom of any religion or no religion. Freedom to worship whomever you want, or not. <br /><br />the six <a href="http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/2010/11/six-principles-of-shariah.html" rel="nofollow">principles</a> of shariah:<br /><br />1. The right to the protection of life.<br />2. The right to the protection of family.<br />3. The right to the protection of education.<br />4. The right to the protection of religion.<br />5. The right to the protection of property (access to resources).<br />6. The right to the protection of human dignity. <br /><br />If those are the six principles of Sharia, I'd say America is doing a good job of enforcing Sharia, at least inside America, Much better than Saudi Arabia! Although the US could do better in the education principle, it seems. <br /><br />They can say they are for Islamic law, but if they abide by Egypt's constitution, then they should be allowed to participate in the political process. It's the US policy in Iraq, after all. Sadrists want to impose Sharia too.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-29896301267362598392011-02-08T13:51:17.662-08:002011-02-08T13:51:17.662-08:00For the record, I don't think Israel wants the...For the record, I don't think Israel wants the West Bank (unless we decide that Jerusalem is inextricable from the West Bank). I think the Israelis believe that if they handed over the whole of the West Bank unconditionally to the Palestinians, they would demand more. They they believe the P's would continue to demand more until the Jewish Israelis were standing at the bottom of the Mediteranean Sea.<br /><br />The Israelis were not in the West Bank in 1969.CMAR IInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-53237231688523290472011-02-08T13:45:16.936-08:002011-02-08T13:45:16.936-08:00heh heh heh...
It's positively quaint the way...heh heh heh...<br /><br />It's positively quaint the way Democrats pretend Biden and Hillary Clinton are unconnected to their President.<br /><br />I think Pres Obama is handling Egypt like an amature. He couldn't bring himself to support the protesters in Iran. He dragged his feet supporting the protesters in Egypt, and now he's trying to make up for it by pulling the rug out from under Mubarak without any idea of what he is trying to ultimately accomplish.<br /><br />We need to get some grown-ups back in charge, rather than over-credentialed aspiring bureaucrats.CMAR IInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-12269499423816587972011-02-08T13:35:59.420-08:002011-02-08T13:35:59.420-08:00Look, Mojo, I agree that the Egyptians deserve dem...Look, Mojo, I agree that the Egyptians deserve democracy. Mubarak has certain not transformed Egypt into a secularist society. But to say the following seems to be whistling past the graveyard:<br /><br /><i>"If the MB takes over and if they impose Sharia law then we will have evidence of their unfairness, and hopefully they will lose the following election."</i><br /><br />...Mojo, if they impose Sharia law, there will BE no further elections. God doesn't run for elections. As Ali Ayaan Hirsi said in her recent column it's a lot easier to vote these people in than to vote them out. <br /><br />WHAT I WANT is for the Egyptian people to have a chance to vote on a constitution. I want the people who are elected to be constrained by a contract with the governed. I want them to be able to vote on representatives who will gain a MAJORITY of the vote so a divide secular population is not overrun by a unified religious block. <br /><br />In Iraq, the US had significant (but hardly overriding) influence in on the framework of the new government. We're not going to get that with the post-Mubarak government, so we should make hay while the sun shines to promote the cause of secular government. Focusing on ONLY toppling Mubarak's dictatorship is only ensuring that the Egyptians trade a Tyrant-of-the-Body for a Tyrant-of-the-Body-and-Soul.CMAR IInoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-90146562370594097382011-02-08T01:27:41.085-08:002011-02-08T01:27:41.085-08:00I see.I see.Aymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-68305240228291405982011-02-07T18:09:00.980-08:002011-02-07T18:09:00.980-08:00Ayman, the Islamic parties won big in the 2005 ele...Ayman, the Islamic parties won big in the 2005 elections. Da3wa and The Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq ran together in the same list in 2005 and they got to form the government. <br /><br />Between 2005 and 2009, many Iraqis were disappointed in their leaders. I don't know if it was a move towards secularism or if it was a realization that Islamic clerics are simply not suited to govern, but Islamic parties have lost votes. In the 2009 provincial elections the Supreme Council got something like 5% of the votes in Baghdad. <br /><br />Fouad Ajami wrote last year "In the provincial elections of 2009, pro-Iranian candidates were <a href="http://iraqimojo.blogspot.com/2010/03/iraq-not-colony-of-iran.html" rel="nofollow">trounced</a> and Iraqi nationalists carried the day."<br /><br />Da3wa is now a "State of Law" party, but their embrace of the law and of nationalism wasn't enough to win a majority. Allawi, the secular candidate, did better than anybody in the 2010 parliamentary elections, narrowly beating Maliki's State of Law. <br /><br />I think in the last six years in Iraq we've seen a general shift from an ideology of Islam ruling all parts of life to a realization that Islam must be separated from politics and government. The shift is slow and many Iraqis still want government by Islam, or at least that's what they say, but I can see a general trend towards secularism in Iraq. It will be interesting to see the outcome of the 2014 elections.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-85390436425203912012011-02-07T16:55:37.002-08:002011-02-07T16:55:37.002-08:00Iraqi Mojo,
Thanks.
How did the March 2010 Ira...Iraqi Mojo, <br /><br />Thanks. <br /><br />How did the March 2010 Iraqi elections compare to the previous elections? Which political parties gained seats and/or share of the vote and which political parties lossed seats between these two elections?<br /><br />In other words, do we see a trend in which Iraqis are moving away from certain political parties and towards other political parties? If so, how significant is the shift? <br /><br />Are the Iraqis voting more religious or more secular as time goes on? <br /><br />Seems like an important issue consider the fears of Islamic Theocracy in Tunisia and Egypt.Aymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-91251327799282490442011-02-07T16:41:12.103-08:002011-02-07T16:41:12.103-08:00I don't think they have an endless appetite fo...I don't think they have an endless appetite for land. They want the West Bank, that is obvious. I think they'd be willing to give up Gaza. Unless they discover gas reserves off its shores. <br /><br />They've been playing the victim card for decades, saying they need the land as buffer between Israel and their neighbors. Meanwhile they build settlements on that land.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-53002000281982371532011-02-07T14:24:40.772-08:002011-02-07T14:24:40.772-08:00We should discuss the Israeli settlements issue in...We should discuss the Israeli settlements issue in more detail. How does Israel justify the settlements? Does Israel engage in these settlements because they have an endless appetite for land? Or do they view themselves as "victims" who are only doing this to protect themselves?Aymannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-32561694110524400112011-02-07T12:31:04.061-08:002011-02-07T12:31:04.061-08:00Yep...he apparently does support dictators.
http:...Yep...he apparently does support dictators.<br /><br />http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0127/Joe-Biden-says-Egypt-s-Mubarak-no-dictator-he-shouldn-t-step-down<br /><br />"Asked if he would characterize Mubarak as a dictator Biden responded: “Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things. And he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interest in the region, the Middle East peace efforts; the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing relationship with – with Israel. … I would not refer to him as a dictator.”C.H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02870558780736700523noreply@blogger.com