tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post4901462853288632949..comments2023-10-25T08:34:59.128-07:00Comments on Iraqi <i>American</i> Mojo: 1 out of 5 Egyptians smiles at al QaidaIraqi Mojohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-27310482733620741542011-02-03T10:56:07.476-08:002011-02-03T10:56:07.476-08:00I'm insinuating that U.S. support has help sub...I'm insinuating that U.S. support has help subvert terrorism, preserved peace with Israel, and deterred attacks on Egypt for three decades. <br /><br />I'm insinuating that U.S. weaponry we see in the hands of the army on the street, so far has not been used to massacre the pro-democracy protesters.<br /><br />I'm insinuating that there are dozens upon dozens of dictators that receive no aide from the U.S. and still manage to brutally maintain control.<br /><br />I'm insinuating that dictatorship ultimately holds power by silencing media and free thought, not with peace treaties.<br /><br />I'm insinuating that the tools of repression don't require international conspiracies, but can be as simple as camels, stones and secrete police.Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-65989126235554002322011-02-03T08:38:40.581-08:002011-02-03T08:38:40.581-08:00Did Rachel tell you that Egypt gets the money ever...Did Rachel tell you that Egypt gets the money every year to keep the peace treaty with Israel? It's not something the US does out of love for Mubarak. The next government will get the same payoff.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-48038111844756784622011-02-03T05:14:07.993-08:002011-02-03T05:14:07.993-08:00If K-hole is insinuating that the U.S. has not giv...If K-hole is insinuating that the U.S. has not given cash to Mubarak's regime, that would be incorrect. Rachel Maddow says Egypt was #2 only to Israel in U.S. backing <br>Dollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16896617620139110214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-14789094361013167602011-02-03T03:33:34.043-08:002011-02-03T03:33:34.043-08:00"Democracy is a right, not a privilege."..."Democracy is a right, not a privilege."<br /><br />Yet, humans managed to go at least 10,000 years without it. I don't like Mubarak any more than the next guy K. I hate dictators. I hate repression of any kind. My fear for Egypt is that they taste freedom for a moment, then fall back into darkness for who knows how long.<br /><br />I was in the Persian Gulf when the Shah fell. We all had our fingers crossed. We knew the Shah was a brutal asshole. Nobody knew how the revolution would play out, but they would at least be better off than before, right? That's where we are today with Egypt. We have our fingers crossed, and we're pretty damned sure Egyptians will be better off. But we've been wrong before, haven't we?Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-43971348302764793122011-02-02T16:14:32.665-08:002011-02-02T16:14:32.665-08:00Dolly, don't forget that those are CIA trained...Dolly, don't forget that those are CIA trained camels too. And all the petrol bombs and rocks? You guessed it - Lockheed-Martin.Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-43323388237263489782011-02-02T16:02:43.650-08:002011-02-02T16:02:43.650-08:00Ali Abdullah Salih and Husni Mubarak are already c...Ali Abdullah Salih and Husni Mubarak are already cooperative with the CIA, so nothing will be lost if they are overthrown <br>Dollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16896617620139110214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-21216729763354470032011-02-02T15:26:08.933-08:002011-02-02T15:26:08.933-08:00Maury,
Democracy is a right, not a privilege. Mo...Maury, <br /><br />Democracy is a right, not a privilege. More importantly, it is a cure for ignorance and intolerance, not an earned reward for liberalism.<br /><br />We need to stand in solidarity with the Egyptian intellectuals who are clearly playing a major part leading this movement, who are only now openly expressing themselves for the first time, and do not seem to represent the fundamentalist hordes.<br /><br />And how is it fair to the 25% of the population (20 million people!) who <i>don't</i> want to kill apostates that they should have no freedom because of how some confused illiterates answered a survey question.<br /><br />Anyway, I doubt the veracity of any survey taken in a dictatorship where free information is not available and whose takers may be minded at every answer.Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-26756889648910959552011-02-02T14:49:21.067-08:002011-02-02T14:49:21.067-08:00Some democracies are barbaric, sadly. In many coun...Some democracies are barbaric, sadly. In many countries it doesn't take much to convince a majority of (fearful and ignorant) people that killing a gay man is the right thing to do. Sometimes it just takes a quote from the Qur'an or Hadith, or just a fatwa from the fundamentalist du jour. <br /><br />"Mr. Kato's death comes as Uganda prepares to elect a new parliament that will again consider a bill to make homosexuality punishable, in some cases, <a href="http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/02/02/5976853-the-unbearable-sadness-of-david-katos-story" rel="nofollow">by death</a>. The bill is something of an American ideological export, since it was inspired after visits from American advocates for the idea that homosexuality can be cured."Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-629556175570403942011-02-02T13:59:43.704-08:002011-02-02T13:59:43.704-08:00Laws cannot be decided by deduction from something...Laws cannot be decided by deduction from something in a sacred book, especially not in any country where various citizens have different sacred books (or none). And that means most countries in the 21C.Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-51516560807877054572011-02-02T13:58:19.072-08:002011-02-02T13:58:19.072-08:00lol Maury,
you have to understand the wisdom beh...lol Maury, <br /><br />you have to understand the wisdom behind the law. anyways ive been awake now for 23 hours and i want to catch some shut eye. it was nice talking to you, and salam.Ayrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-8832159234982929442011-02-02T13:56:15.602-08:002011-02-02T13:56:15.602-08:00There's no reason why anyone other than an Ort...There's no reason why anyone other than an Orthodox Jew should care what Moses thought about adultery.<br /><br />Laws should be decided democratically by the citizens (or their representatives), according to what seems best from time to time. I see no reason for laws against adultery, except that it can be a ground for divorce.<br /><br />What unmarried adults do in private is their own business and is no concern of the state.Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-84892640234178305442011-02-02T13:54:27.431-08:002011-02-02T13:54:27.431-08:00don cox,
i dont know if you have noticed, but ira...don cox,<br /><br />i dont know if you have noticed, but iraq has been a bloodbath for anybody and everybody. sunnis and shias have suffered just as much as the christians have. and in iraq the smaller you are the less chances you have for survival. its called civil war. its definately 100% wrong, and i dont think using the civil war in iraq to further your arguments are fairAyrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-30996765587179383972011-02-02T13:53:14.391-08:002011-02-02T13:53:14.391-08:00That depends AJ. Is it savagely cruel? Exceedingly...That depends AJ. Is it savagely cruel? Exceedingly brutal? Primitive and unsophisticated? If so, that's the very definition of barbaric. Don't take my word for it. Consult a dictionary.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-31287186031633158312011-02-02T13:50:09.413-08:002011-02-02T13:50:09.413-08:00lol, so your saying God's law that he prescrib...lol, so your saying God's law that he prescribed to Moses is "barbaric"?<br /><br />if thats what you think, fine, you are entitled to your opinion. i have a different beliefAyrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-87214827826881300042011-02-02T13:49:38.480-08:002011-02-02T13:49:38.480-08:00"Non-Muslims have full rights under Muslim ru..."Non-Muslims have full rights under Muslim rule. If there is any discrimination then it is the shortcomings of the people and not Islam."<br /><br />Unfortunately the shortcoming seems to be universal. Look how first the Jews and now the Christians have been driven out of Iraq. (Not to mention the Yezidis.)<br /><br /> "this is a whole other topic altogether."<br /><br />No, the big problem is how Muslims actually behave, not some ideal tolerant Muslim who may exist somewhere. The actual level of tolerance is no greater than that of the Christians hundreds of years ago.Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-66221776807128860292011-02-02T13:47:29.061-08:002011-02-02T13:47:29.061-08:00"so how can you claim something is barbaric w..."so how can you claim something is barbaric when it was prescribed for moses and his people?"<br /><br />Because it IS barbaric. <br /><br /><br />bar·bar·ic/bärˈbarik/Adjective<br />1. Savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.<br />2. Primitive; unsophisticatedMauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-77969274551124776702011-02-02T13:42:38.828-08:002011-02-02T13:42:38.828-08:00Maury,
In terms of Adultery. Yes, I agree it is a...Maury,<br /><br />In terms of Adultery. Yes, I agree it is a severe punishment. But, the more severe a punishment, the more it is a deterrent. And I dont believe the punishment should be limited only to the afterlife, because adultery has a serious and real effect on the corruption of society, having kids with no parents to care for them etc<br /><br />also, the punishment for adultery is also a law in the bible. whether you agree that christians should follow the law of moses or not, it is clear that moses himself followed them, so how can you claim something is barbaric when it was prescribed for moses and his people?Ayrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-8837934882916276912011-02-02T13:42:33.719-08:002011-02-02T13:42:33.719-08:00"Does it make sense to say "I'm a ch..."Does it make sense to say "I'm a christian", yet you dont believe in the bible? that, my friend, is called hypocrisy."<br /><br />No, it is not. The Bible is a whole library of books, of varied origin and date. It includes legends, allegories, prophetic rants, collections of proverbs, love poems, and some not very accurate history. There is no requirement for a Christian to believe that every word in it is literally true.<br /><br />What Christians are expected to believe is in the creeds (several similar versions) which are recited during church services. <br /><br />There are also many who find some of the Jesus teachings inspiring, without believing that Jesus is God.Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-71535129621435946762011-02-02T13:34:59.919-08:002011-02-02T13:34:59.919-08:00well, if you don't believe me, believe the gra...well, if you don't believe me, believe the grand Mufti of Egypt:<br /><br />Jumu’ah 13 Rajab 1428 AH corresponding to 27 August 2007 CE regarding the<br />fatwa of the Mufti of Egypt wherein he allows new Muslims to apostatize back to Christianity.2<br />The points made in the article are<br /><br />1. “The fatwa was made by the Egyptian Mufti Dr ’Ali Juma’3 wherein he allowed apostasy from Islaam for the Egyptian religious establishment which controls three main authorities: al-Azhar (as the highest religious body in Egypt),4the Ministry of Endowment which is responsible for da’wah and supervises the (Imaams on the) minbars and then the Egyptian Daar ul-Iftaa’ which is linked to the Egyptian Ministry of Justice.”<br />2. The Mufti of Egypt said, as is reported in the article: “From a religious perspective,<br /><br />the act of abandoning one’s religion is a sin punishable by Allaah on the Day of Judgement. If the case in question is one of merely rejecting eemaan, then there is no worldly punishment. If however, the crime of undermining the foundations of the society is added to the sin of apostasy, then the case must be referred to a judicial system whose role is to protect the integrity of the society. Otherwise, the matter is left until the Day of Judgement and is not to be dealt with in the life of<br />this world.” <br /><br /><br /><br />As to the poll, im not familiar with it or what was asked exactly, or the wording of the questions.Ayrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-28678143143661143862011-02-02T13:34:26.070-08:002011-02-02T13:34:26.070-08:00"Let us Muslims deal with how we want to trea..."Let us Muslims deal with how we want to treat each other, as long as the majority agree to it."<br /><br />The problem is how you treat non-Muslims and former Muslims.Don Coxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11232752398252841794noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-61196377587773505332011-02-02T13:26:48.310-08:002011-02-02T13:26:48.310-08:00I find it curious that the highest Islamic scholar...I find it curious that the highest Islamic scholars don't approve of killing apostates, but 84% of Egyptian Muslims do. Who the heck are they taking instruction from, Zarqawi? <br /><br />I happen to think adultery is a serious moral crime. I can't respect a man who can't keep it in his pants. Still, I believe it's up to God to punish sinners, not us. That's the beef I have with Al Qaida. I think they're little men trying to play God. I can think of one particular character who tried to usurp God's authority, and he wasn't appreciated for it one bit. Starts with an S and ends with an N.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-36980219296484913062011-02-02T13:18:06.462-08:002011-02-02T13:18:06.462-08:00Maury,
WOW. First of all, in terms of shariah law...Maury,<br /><br />WOW. First of all, in terms of shariah law in general. The state appoints judges that specialize in Shariah to apply the law. This means that any layman with his own interpretation is rejected.<br /><br />In terms of killing apostates. The scholars of alazhar university (considered the highest religios learnign in the muslim world) do not approve it as a hadd. The law only applies to those who, after apostizing, wage war on muslims. And, even after waging war, they are given a chance to repent before the death penalty applies. This is the understanding of the muslim scholars and even the most hardline as Sayyid Qutb, Ibn Taymiyyah etc.<br /><br />In terms of stoning adulters, muslim consensus is that the unmarried adulterer is not to be stoned, but lashed and the married adulterer stoned. YOU may find this a harsh punishment, especially when you live in a society where this practice is so widespread. But this is a various serious crime in Islam and in the muslim world. Just because it is so widespread in your society and common, it doesnt make it any less serious. Also, I have heard an opinion that there isnt enough evidence in the Sunnah for stoning to be a law, but this is a minority opinion.<br /><br />Oh, and the law of adultery is also in the bible :)Ayrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-27801061904554533982011-02-02T13:14:42.931-08:002011-02-02T13:14:42.931-08:00Maury, democracy doesn't necessarily mean tole...Maury, democracy doesn't necessarily mean tolerance or freedom for all. Democracy in Iraq did not bring tolerance for all Iraqis. Democracy is a process, it's supposed to be government by the people. Sometimes the people say and do stupid things.Iraqi Mojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14348791832474839472noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-24146458896823892602011-02-02T13:03:05.838-08:002011-02-02T13:03:05.838-08:00"You fail to understand the level of Islamic ..."You fail to understand the level of Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh)."<br /><br />I never claimed to be an Islamic scholar. I stand by my opinion that, if 84% of Egyptians support killing apostates, and 82% of Egyptians support stoning adulterers, Egypt isn't ready for democracy. <br /><br />Not gonna work.Mauryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08155413912838430846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36279451.post-54367731233868864202011-02-02T12:58:30.991-08:002011-02-02T12:58:30.991-08:00Maury,
You are so brainwashed its not even funny....Maury,<br /><br />You are so brainwashed its not even funny. You don't know anything about shariah except what you have seen on youtube and from western orientalists.<br /><br />As far as "death" to an apostate in Islam, you are mistaken. You fail to understand the level of Islamic Jurisprudence (Fiqh). You do not understand the Penal code either (Hadd (fixed punishment), Ta'zir (dicretionary punishment), Qisas (retaliation). Your reliance on western orientalists have made you into an islamophobe.Ayrab Jayrabnoreply@blogger.com